*promote creative thinking from dad

Music and arts are probably more important than math or history when it comes to developing critical and creative thinking skills. Healthy sex is as important as eating and sleeping and are all very important to memory function, logic, problem-solving, etc. You seem to think sex is so different from other human activities but it isn't. Categorizing things into social and non-social doesn't apply here since a major function of schools is to teach kids social skills so that they can be productive members of society.

99% of success in life depends on social skills. Right now the best and the brightest are not accomplishing anything because they are too shy or messed up by their history to use their abilities to the fullest.

Oh and condoms are a tool used in forging the mind. Sex is one of the most powerful forces that drives our beings so of course tools and knowledge regarding this major part of our lives is important.

Your version of schooling has never been and hopefully never will be. Please check out some of the research that is out there. There has been much talk the last few years about the serious problems caused by removing music and art programs from schools for example.
>> ^GeeSussFreeK:

>> ^rottenseed:
>> ^GeeSussFreeK:
Sex isn't something that is happening in school

Translation: I NEVER HAD SEX IN SCHOOL! ...or since

Blah, way to be a jerk and not stay on topic.
I shall be a little more clear with what I am saying as I think my message got lost in peoples spin on doing the hibbidy dibidy all the live long day.
Books, teachers, science labs, paper, pens, are part of the education process provided by the state. Having sex in the middle of the class is not. While sex education is a must, having sex in school is not on the curiculum as far as the state should be involved in. IE, condoms are not a pen, a book or any other tool used in forging the mind.
Like some have pointed out (tackfully unlike the nice person above), sex is part of the natural social evolution of a person. Right, but that isn't the focus of the classroom. Schools are for classes and expanding your mind, that is what the state is supposed to be providing. I have problem no problem with my taxes going to books and pens and things that are developing the young minds of tomorrow. But I have a problem with my tax dollars sponcering another childs sex life and/or other social, non-education things (recreational sex is not educational sex . I would be just as against schools providing some sort of free music program on the government dime on the logic that music is needed for a well devolped social mind.
I also don't preach ignorance or being unprepaired, I am just against paying for it on the government ticket. Schools shouldn't be in the business of providing anything but education. If someone can show me how a condom is an education device, besides maybe just learning how to put one on, then I will be convinced, otherwise, it is the school system trying to be more than it is roled to be. This isn't a night club, this is a school. Sex may happen on campus, that is not what I was saying at all, what I am saying is that is the subject of social interaction and not the domain of the school to provide materials for out of our tax budget. Once again, if someone can show how a condom is like a pen (hahaha don't go there), then I'll be more adpt to listen, but so far it seems like "ehh why not" kinda arguments? Perhaps I misunderstood yall as much as yall did me
And if they are just giving them away, then it should be avalible for all citizens everywhere, not just kids...and I would be against funding my fellow americans sex needs in the same way I am against this
Thanks everyone for your respectful comments...minus one

edit: And did no one else think that the video was totally biased? The lady arguing for the side of schools not providing for that thing had some very unconvincing speaking methodology

Tags for this video have been changed from 'Animation, puppets, creative thinking, wtf' to 'Animation, puppets, creative thinking, this is it, creepy, 10s, uk' - edited by Eklek

>> ^longde:

Define smart.>> ^Yogi:
Being really educated doesn't mean you're smart. That's the closest I'll come to agreeing with Rush Limbaugh...now please roll your fat ass off into the sunset.



Being over-educated

Capable of reasoning. Ask Neil deGrasse Tyson, even people who become doctors can be incompetent and dumb.

EDIT: Actually Noam Chomsky talks about this a lot how academics have all this training and they don't know how to figure anything out. He said he admires car mechanics more because it's a lot of times a more creative thinking process.

>> ^criticalthud:

>> ^Payback:
>> ^criticalthud:
... so many people, while they are cursing the hippies and typing on their Macbooks, should really get a clue...

Dude. ANYone could see gwiz665 was joking.

cool i guess i missed the joke. even here in Reno, 2 hours away from the playa, the perception that it is just a bunch of hippies in the desert still dominates. Even fox news uses burning man references as a way to encourage a negative perception of OWS people.
but don't let me missing the joke detract from the rest of the post.
i'm not sure any of us realize the extent of the importance of encouraging creative thinking and cooperation.


Geez you hippies are touchy.

>> ^Payback:

>> ^criticalthud:
... so many people, while they are cursing the hippies and typing on their Macbooks, should really get a clue...

Dude. ANYone could see gwiz665 was joking.


cool i guess i missed the joke. even here in Reno, 2 hours away from the playa, the perception that it is just a bunch of hippies in the desert still dominates. Even fox news uses burning man references as a way to encourage a negative perception of OWS people.
but don't let me missing the joke detract from the rest of the post.
i'm not sure any of us realize the extent of the importance of encouraging creative thinking and cooperation.

1. Do not equate jobs. I was a public education teacher for four years, and I've been an IT pro for seven years, now as a senior consultant for AD, Exchange, VMware, and storage, with too many certifications to list them all off the top of my head. I just want to make this clear. Even with all the learning I've done to get all those certifications, it wouldn't take me the five years it took me to get a master's degree in education. Even with "summers off", without a doubt, I worked more hours in a year as a teacher than I have as an IT pro with 2-3 weeks paid vacation. Even in the most demanding IT jobs I've had (one was Premier Support for Microsoft Support Services), I have never been more stressed out than I was as a teacher, and I got paid half as much to teach.

2. You get better with experience as a teacher, but the ability to teach is also a gift. You must have some innate ability for it to actually be a good teacher. Not only do you have to know your subject matter, but you must also be able to relate it to an audience with completely different backgrounds, styles of learning, while managing a classroom of immature people by their very nature. Dismissing it as an "acquired skill just like anything else" shows an dizzying amount of ignorance about what the job entails.

3. You're half right about this. Teachers in my experience fell into 3 categories - great teachers, slackers, and those who tried really hard but failed because of a lack of talent. Of the slackers, the overwhelming majority were people who got the idealistic burning desire to teach beaten out of them by the system. They didn't move on or weren't fired because they simply didn't want to start over, and the system was short of teachers anyway. I moved on because my wife had medical issues, so I needed to earn enough for both of us, and there was no way I could do that by teaching. It took me 2-3 years to fully transition into IT. By the second year, I realized I didn't want to be a teacher anyway because of how screwed up public education was. I still believe in public education, but it's the external factors that prevent you from doing your job, whether it be woeful funding, bad salary, unsupportive parents, ludicrous insistence that standardized multiple choice tests accurately measured knowledge and understanding of a subject, etc.

Here's the problem with "getting rid of those bad teachers" - we don't have enough teachers as is, so you want less teachers? Can't wait to see those classes of 37 go to 45 or 50. Until you address the problem of attracting and keeping teachers, all that stuff is moot.

As for merit pay, I'm fine with that as long as something can be devised that accurately measures the teacher's performance. Standardized test scores won't do that because, nor absolute values on grades, etc.

5. See above. Most teachers' unions are against merit pay because no one has come up with a fair evaluation of a teacher's performance.

As for the arts, exposure to arts help students beyond the specifics of the art, assisting with learning and comprehension of every other subject. Ridding art from schools is a big mistake. Major advancements in science for example is derived by creative thinking, which art helps to develop. And this isn't just some psychological BS.

>> ^RedSky:

1. So is every other job.
2. It's an acquired skill like anything else. Also, let's not equate private tutoring with teaching a class, they are different things entirely and while some teachers certainly fill that role it is entirely unreasonable to suggest that most students will either demand this kind of attention or that most teachers will provide it (outside of what their job entails). I should probably disclose that my mother is a teacher too.
3. I'm not sure what you mean here. What I'm saying is people who don't want stress in their job and potentially don't want to put in a great deal of effort work in more secure positions, typically government related. I am not saying that all government employees are lazy and unmotivated, I'm simply saying that the obvious and apparent perks they provide attract certain kinds of people disproportionately.
4. This is why I would argue there needs to be a way to evaluate performance and reward teachers that do well. Rewarding them will allow the wages of teachers who are good at what they do rise and encourage more talented individuals who want to teach into a field they would otherwise not consider. As I said in my previous comment as far as I'm concerned the primary skills that schools should be teaching are reading, comprehension and rudimentary maths. These are also easily able to be evaluated with standardised tests. The same standardised tests that determine university enrollment. As far as I'm concerned I see no reason a test like this cannot evaluate a teacher's capability in improving year upon year results of students. Yes, it cannot be a primary measurement and it is certainly not perfect, but if your intention to increase the standards of teaching and you accept the impractically/implausibility of vastly increasing the teaching budget, you have to accept that improvements have to come from improved efficiency and effectiveness. You can't begin to address that unless you have some way of measuring it.
5. No skilled or academically minded industry is a factory. Yet everything from engineering to consulting to scientific research companies thrive in a competitive economy. Am I suggesting privatising and cutting funding? Not at all. I think poor neighborhoods need to be subsidised to encourage good teachers to teach there. I have no particular issue with public schools although I see no reason charter schools should not receive eligible to such government assistance and what currently exists where the funding is there to serve the common good of creating an educated and knowledgeable society. My problem is entrenched union interest groups who by virtue of the campaign contributions they endow to their elected representatives, block any capacity to reward good teachers and who in effect keep teacher wages depressed and a whole bunch of talented individuals who would have otherwise genuinely considered teaching out of schools.
My point is not that I don't think art/music/drama are valuable aspects of schooling. Rather that schools in poor neighbourhoods are failing to endow students with the basic skills they need to enter a skilled job or for that matter to enter university. I think when people make arguments like this (which if I recall one of the people in this video did), they fly in stark contrast to reality that many simply do not even grasp the basics of education.
Schooling at it's base is not rooted in wishy washy concepts of creativity, expressing individuality or character, they are part of growing up but not the function of school at its core. Math and reading skills are ultimately rooted in effective teacher instruction followed by repetition. No amount of related activities will dress up the fact that if you want to function in modern society you need to go through these trials and tribulations. Until all schools can do that, the last thing I want to listen to is some guy at a rally preaching about abstract skills.

Huh Blankfist? I have to say that this video, in all it's self righteousness, is as annoying as you can be. Sure Choggie did some unforgivable things when he thought no-one was looking, like chastising you about Maceo, but honestly he helped keep some of the more active and annoying users in check while here. He said the things that many of of thought but were too polite to say. He added much more to the Sift than you have.

There. I said it. I'm sorry BF, but this post is too self congratulatory not to.

I'd rather have Choggie here than you. But he and his eclectic video tastes and creative thinking and writing are gone, and you and your lowbrow bullshit fecal humor are still here. Sucks for me.

Enjoy your day, you vacuous twerp.

Conservatives have never been renowned for their brains or creative thinking.

A single-payer NHS styled system of medical coverage is the only thing that makes any sense.

Our current system is one of the most expensive and at the same time, worst, in the western world.

Cons can't stand equality and fairness. It's a threat to their perceived hold on power.

And why not free food? We can feed everyone in our country and then some with little or no effort.

Only the money grubbers would mock such an idea.

>> ^Mark_D:
Probably just hungry and saw a free meal for the taking.


good creative thinking mark certainly another possible theory! kudos.

You two ( Zonbie and LadyDeath ) are two genuine sweethearts on here, so WOOHOO for you guys going up like this. :#1: Grats Zonbie!

I suggest a *medical, *Irish, *anime, *8bit, or *indie channel. Medical and Irish I suggest the most, I spat out the other ones to try to inspire creative thinking in your own head regarding it.

Farhad2000 has he actually said he thinks there's no such thing as self control, or individualism?

i think the kinds of decisions a person makes is genetically predetermined. but, your ability to control your own decisions away from that will also be genetically predetermined! creative thinking is what got humans this far.

you've got to admit that the vast majority of the things we do are guided towards procreation. try to think of something that isnt, it's harder than it seems

It seems IBM once had the creative thinking that Google has now.